An Atheist Educator

Someone really has their panties in a bunch at the Helena IR regarding the recent mass banning of commenters.  This wannabe “Inspector” is now trolling the site whining about how “Greg Baker” is really James Daggett or Atheist Educator or whomever and they all need to be banned from the site.  He parades around under the moniker Javier Escondo and is making a bit of a nuisance of himself.  Here are a few of his comments:

 

Javier Escondo Mar 12, 2017 9:09am

You are totally wrong sir. Atheist Educator, James Dagget and Greg Baker…..all the same person, still commenting, still lying, still demeaning, still stirring up trouble. I guess the rules dont apply to liberals, and neither does free speech.
EDITOR: I demand an answer from you on why you continue to allow AE, James Dagget aka Greg Baker to comment? I demand his expulsion immediately! He/she has broken the rules, by your own law, ban him/her!

 

Javier Escondo Mar 11, 2017 7:16am

You mean nice to see Lee allows liberal commenters? People are now banned or have been banned for voicing their opinions, I would like to introduce you to the new age, aka anti constitutionalism, aka communism. Very much like Hitler did, the IR news is banning people from commenting that they do not like the opinion of. Sickening!

 

Javier Escondo Mar 11, 2017 7:15pm

More lies from the “ban” er in chief. You are such a fool it’s hard to read without getting a headache.
You are he alt-left, you are more bigoted than anyone here, you don’t even understand what the term “bigot” means. I love it when you alternative fact revelers use he term “rhetoric” you can’t even use the term in a sentence pertaining to its meaning, and you claim to be educated?
Lacfiado’s………
Btw, why did you ban other posters? Can’t handle the truth? Why did you change your name yet again? Something you want to share?
Don’t ban me bro!

 

Javier Escondo Mar 11, 2017 7:40pm

What would you think if your mothers told you you were aborted? Oh yea, you wouldn’t think anything.

 

Javier Escondo Mar 11, 2017 7:13am

Why? Did he do something you disagreed with? looks like his banning was your doing Greg, how many have you cried about and had banned. Or, how do you know he is banned? And who are you really?
This is shameful, you guys always cry about tolerance, yet you cannot practice what you preach? I guess I am next? Yes, ban me too, ban the Mexican!
What line was crossed, seriously, I would like to know what Dan did that you so vehemently disagreed with that you have gotten away with?
Enough with the banning, enough with the deleting, if you cannot accept someone else’s opinion then ban commenting altogether. My god, this site is as bad as the Facebook site, nothing but aliases and phony profiles. Time for you to go, all of you since we all know you are fake!
I got an idea HR. How about, you charge people to comment. Charge them a .01 fee to a credit card that has real names on it and that is how you get your name posted, from your credit card. That will take care of people acting like pseudo intellectuals since they will have their names online!

Javier Escondo Mar 11, 2017 7:16pm

I’m waiting for an answer. Answer my question you cowardous fool!

 

Javier Escondo Mar 12, 2017 9:13am

Matt:”The Republican Party has quietly watched the alarming two-year rise in hate crimes and hate speech against Jews, people of color and other marginalized groups across Montana and the US. ”
You mean the trashing of cemeteries by democrats who tried to paint it as a right wing or republican act?
Or how about those bomb threats, made by a Obama supporting African American? Do you people even think before you write a LTE? THere are thousands of instances across the nation where these “hate” crimes were proven to be done by your folks. Yes of course there is hate on the right, but the left exemplifies it.

 

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So, there you have it.  Another raving loon who can’t handle the truth.  As for the identity of this unhappy person, does it really matter?  Of course not.  He was never considered a credible source of anything and was always a prime example of the DunningKruger effect.  He is intimated by the cognitive skills of others and this inferiority causes him to lash out instead of improving himself.  He plays the ultimate victim.  It’s always the fault of someone else whenever he loses, which is often when the game is one of intellect.

Am I close, DP?

 

 

It was recently mentioned in the press that “Mike Gulledge named publisher of the Missoulian, Ravalli Republic in regional restructure.”  It appears that one of his first acts was to eliminate online commenting on that paper’s site just as had been eliminated on his other paper’s site, the Billings Gazette.  Here is the Missoulian’s rationale.

Considering that the level of discussion on the Missoulian had declined in the past year, particularly from a commenter, “Ross,” it probably comes as no surprise.

Speaking of “Ross,” if you aren’t familiar with him but are familiar with commenters on the Helena IR, Ross is the twin of Dan Richardson/getaclue.  And, after a year or two of what fully defines “trolling” and attempts at starting “flame wars,” Dan/getaclue has been banned from the Helena IR.

Over on this thread, The bad, the ugly and the good: The Trump Effect in Montana, a LTE from the ACLU, Dan/getaclue jumped in with his usual inane attacks and made references to “lies” that he saw in the LTE. He claimed that Trump was planning of prosecuting anyone who spreads “fake news” and other false information and that the ACLU would be brought up on criminal charges.  He, of course, was wrong.  One commenter ever reminded him that he had posted a fake news web site a few months ago so he, and Trump himself, would be in line for prosecution themselves.

Dan/getaclue, went on a posting tirade, several that I missed reading, and it appears that the Helena IR had enough of this troll and banned his account.  Going to his user profile yields the evidence:  https://helenair.com/users/profile/getaclue/

So, Dan/getaclue goes the way of his comrade in arms, deitz1963, leaving the comment threads open to the thinkers.  The stench of their presence is barely a memory.

 

 

I suppose the editors at the HelenaIR decided enough was enough.  The comments are WAY down and it appears that most of the regulars are gone.  This is likely due to a mass banning.  As “Michael” said in a comment under my previous posting, he was banned.  He’s probably not alone.  I received a email from “James” and he said that he was banned too.  He also said he created a new new account which was banned a few hours later.  He was more creative in his next incarnation and, apparently, is still allowed to make comments.

So, it looks like instead of outright doing away with commenting, as the Billings Gazette did, they are just cleaning house and cracking down.  If this means that the purveyor of idiocy (we know who you are) is banned, then we’ll consider our efforts properly rewarded.  Many of the other “regulars” also appear to be silenced: Max, MtMadeMan, twangs, Darth, etc.

This is no loss since it’s not like we aren’t active in many other venues.

Since deitz1963 got booted, we’ll mark this up as a major win.  After all, he only has himself to blame.  He was the one who kept bugging the editors about what was going on in the comments.

It’s not difficult to miss how calm things are on the HelenaIR the past few days.  The rancor is low as is the volume of comments.  Most of the comments appear to be on topic and level of sniping is about nil.

What has changed?

It appears to be the disappearance of dietz1963.  If anyone were to challenge the idea that dietz1963 was the cause of most of the troubles on that site, the peacefulness present in his absence is pretty good evidence to support that.

Of course, he could reappear and tell us how he just had another case of whooping cause, an excuse he used when PaulMont called him out and wanted a face-to-face.  Time will tell whether it’s a cough or if the editors had enough of of his game, not to mention his whining to them about how everyone was bullying him.

In his last comment he said to James, “What goes over your head is, you will never out me nor break me which is your goal.”

It’s pretty obvious, considering all the time dietz1963 was proven wrong by me and others, and now his running away, or being sent to his room, that this is just another one of his claims that is false.

 

 

I received an email from a regular commenter on the HelenaIR that told him someone was complaining about his comments and was demanding that he be banned from that site.  He said that he answered this by sending a long list of site violations (name-calling, trolling, lies, etc.) that the complainant had committed.  Evidently the site owner is somewhat understanding.

That raises the issue of freedom of speech.  Yes, we know that does not apply to a non-governmental web site, but in principle, anyone who supports the First Amendment should support it everywhere.  This complainer to the HelenaIR certainly does not and this individual claims he is a veteran.

What the Whiner of Helena is upset about is, as has been well-documented here, is that he cannot mount a rational argument about ANYTHING and and is repeatedly pummeled and rounded beaten with the Stick of Logic.  What is worse, for him, is that he discloses lots of personal information about himself and this is ultimately used against him.

Here’s some recent dialog, probably what led to his most recent sniveling to the editors.

 

Feb 11, 2017 2:14am

No …, you still do not get it. For you is about winning, proving a point, being the best of the best. And for you, if you do not “get your way” you react in the way you do. No one else that comments here (far as I know) that has a blog dedicated to mocking, belittling, insulting ect.. as you do. No one else here, and that includes max aka attacks people as you do.

What it is, you can’t stand to lose and will find any excuse not to lose. Yet you do. Its probably why you have always stayed behind the scenes, never served, never really did nothing other then control peoples lives and squander your money not unlike the story of scrooge.

Bottom line, you have never been a leader, you can never be a leader. A true leader, loses. Has to make the bad call, makes mistakes and learns from them. Admits and is leader enough to admit fallacies. You are not that way, instead, you demand others bow before you and capitulate before what you consider your superior intelligence. Against me, you have lost and will always lose. No matter how you belittle me, badger me, insult or mock me, use me for your amusement, I still stand tall. Time for you to end your “experiment”.

 

 Our friend responded:
Feb 11, 2017 10:50am

What bar did you just close?You said “For you is about winning, proving a point, being the best of the best.”

When that point is the truth I will pursue it. Maybe you should explain why, when you say something completely wrong, it should not be corrected. For example, here are a few things I have corrected you on:

– that governor vetoes Republican-submitted bills
– that the inflation rate under Obama was 40%
– that “residency” for voting purposes is the same as for tax purposes
– that slaves joined the Confederate army by “tens of thousands”

Why should any of those falsehoods go unchallenged?

And why do you refuse to back down when your statements are falsified?

You said “And for you, if you do not “get your way” you react in the way you do.”

“My way” is the pursuit of the truth so, yes, I will aggressively defend the truth against falsehoods.

You said “No one else that comments here (far as I know) that has a blog dedicated to mocking, belittling, insulting ect.. as you do.”

I will neither confirm nor deny ownership of that blog, but is has come in handy when you, and others, attempt to deny your own words. Just like that rant against PaulMont. You’d love for that one to go away, wouldn’t you.

If you want to set up your own blog and write about me, why don’t you do so. It’s free and anyone with an “applied science” degree should be able to figure out how to do it.

You said “No one else here, and that includes max aka attacks people as you do.”

You remind me of your Great Defender, dolphind3, who defines any comment that is in anyway contrary to his as an “attack.” One wonders why you don’t consider your own comments, mocking people’s names, or generalizations toward liberals and Democrats, as attacks.
You said “Its probably why you have always stayed behind the scenes, never served, never really did nothing other then control peoples lives and squander your money not unlike the story of scrooge.”

Sounds like the liquor is talking now, the anger increases.

You said “Bottom line, you have never been a leader, you can never be a leader. A true leader, loses….”

Yep, the liquor is in control now, he switches to attack mode.

You slur “You are not that way, instead, you demand others bow before you and capitulate before what you consider your superior intelligence.”

Ah, but still able to create a straw man.

You said “Against me, you have lost and will always lose. No matter how you belittle me, badger me, insult or mock me, use me for your amusement, I still stand tall.”

Is this something your therapist told you to recite when your self-esteem gets bruised?

It sounds like Stuart Smalley’s affirmation, “I’m good enough, I’m smart enough, and doggone it, people like me.”

I hope that all made you feel better.

 

A bit later the Complainer said:

 

Feb 11, 2017 3:02am

Ah …s, I know you too well. What goes over your head is, you will never out me nor break me which is your goal. And hey, it sucks that someone tried to out you in the day and get your fired from your job, I get that. But do not focus your anger, your frustration or anything else on me cause of those folks. You are so clueless with me.

Now, and I do get sick and tired of this game. More importantly, how is your spouse doing? Getting the care they need? How is the outlook, the treatment, is it working?

 

 Responded to with:
Feb 11, 2017 10:59am

Trying to sober up before turning in?

You said “Ah …, I know you too well. What goes over your head is, you will never out me nor break me which is your goal.”

Keep on with those affirmations. Here are some others from Stuart Smalley that you might find helpful:

“I am a worthy human being.”
“…and that’s…okay.”
“Trace it, face it, and erase it.”

You said “You are so clueless with me.”

No, I think I pretty nailed you with my description of NCOs. If I hadn’t, why was your reaction to run to the editor and demand I be banned? When would you, without any evidence, attack my draft and veteran status? Why would you attack my college education, which you know nothing about?

Why am I able to so regularly falsify what you write?

It’s not me, it’s YOU.

You said “Now, and I do get sick and tired of this game.”

Then quit playing. Quit clicking on my name to see my most recent comments. Quit going to that blog. Quit making unsupported claims about me.

You said “More importantly, how is your spouse doing? Getting the care they need? How is the outlook, the treatment, is it working?”

We don’t use the word “cure” but everything is fine.

Thank you for asking.

 

I am not sure why that was the proverbial straw placed on a camel, but there you have it.  Perhaps this marks the end of the series.

One would think that after all this time, some people would learn the lesson that’s been brought down on them over and over, but not Michael Di/dietzq963.

 

He’s repeatedly been school on the rule of logic that it is impossible to prove a negative, yet he still hangs on to this fallacy as a talisman.

 

On this thread, he asks James  to help him prove his claim that James had a deferment from the draft.  James effectively falsifies him and does so several times, disassembling dietz1963’s “deductive reasoning” is several swoops.

 

Bill Bentley Jan 26, 2017 9:51pm

I’m a vet and I don’t care. The M-16 sucked, as a private citizen I don’t plan to buy one nor do I care what the now issue. If I were in the service I would care, but then again I would not have a choice.

James Dagget Jan 28, 2017 11:26am

Bill said “…but then again I would not have a choice.”

Just like the many who didn’t have a choice about joining up in the first place. Do your time, do what you are told, get out and get on with life.

Michael Di Jan 29, 2017 7:16pm

The many that didn’t have a choice? You had a choice atheist, and you chose draft deferment so you could join in marches protesting the war.

James Dagget Jan 30, 2017 6:59am

Michael Di said “…you chose draft deferment so you could join in marches protesting the war.”

And you have evidence of this, sarge?

And why would one need a deferment in order to join a protest?

Michael Di Jan 30, 2017 9:48am

Its called “Deductive reasoning combined with logic” atheist and, you all but provided the proof in a statement. Quote from one of your posts: Bill, I hear you. I haven’t marched in a protest in quite a while but I did quite a few in the past. My first was the moratorium against the draft in fall of 1969.”

Moratorium, meaning suspension of an activity. This concludes that you had a draft deferment.

As a member of the armed services, one is not able to join in political protests so yes, you needed a draft deferment cause otherwise under the MCM you would have had some jail time.

James Dagget Jan 30, 2017 1:40pm

Michael Di said “Its called “Deductive reasoning combined with logic” atheist and, you all but provided the proof in a statement…..Moratorium, meaning suspension of an activity. This concludes that you had a draft deferment.”

Well, no. You see, child, “Moratorium” was the NAME of the nationwide protest against the draft and the war.

Moratorium to End the War in Vietnam

Consider your claim falsified, again.

You said “As a member of the armed services, one is not able to join in political protests so yes, you needed a draft deferment cause otherwise under the MCM you would have had some jail time.”

Gosh, you are lame. I didn’t have to be in the military when the protests took place. Both of those big ones took place in the fall of 1969. I could have been in high school when they took place. They didn’t issue draft deferments to high school students.

Falsified, again.

Care to keep playing? If I was you, I’d cash out.

Michael Di Jan 30, 2017 3:02pm

You saying my claims are falsified means less then nothing atheist. Prove you weren’t under draft deferment and please, don’t insult my intelligence by suggesting you may have been in high school. That’s just ridiculous.

James Dagget Jan 30, 2017 5:54pm

Michael Di said “You saying my claims are falsified means less then nothing atheist.”

But they are still falsified. You’ve been pwned and choaked on your “deductive reasoning.”

You said “Prove you weren’t under draft deferment and please, don’t insult my intelligence by suggesting you may have been in high school. That’s just ridiculous.”

It doesn’t have to be me. It could be anybody. According to your “reasoning” anyone protesting at those events had to have had a deferment.

That is illogical and idiotic.

You jumped the shark, again.

I wonder if this one will end up on that blog?

In what can only be describes as surreal, bizarre, and stupid, we have this.  On this thread, Trump admin orders media blackout at EPA:

Max Major Jan 24, 2017 12:05pm

President thin-orange-skin!

Michael Di Jan 24, 2017 1:07pm

Racist remark.

Michael Di added the “Ban?” emoticon to the above comment.  It continues:

Max Major Jan 24, 2017 2:10pm

So the blithering troll wants to pretend that his devotee trump is a racial category unto himself. Hilarious…probably the height of your intelligence right there.

I know your trolling…but I’m guessing you actually somewhere think it true too. There is no guessing about some people…but there’s plenty guessing about you Dietz.

Michael Di Jan 24, 2017 3:26pm

spewter, as I’ve said time and time again, your cyber bully skills don’t impress me.

OBTW, I have more intelligence under my pinkie toe then you have in that melon you call a head.

Max Major Jan 24, 2017 3:56pm

Sure you do dietz…you keep telling yourself that one. Your record stand all too well for itself.

Max Major Jan 24, 2017 2:13pm

And he’s forbidden agencies from speaking directly with congress…it’s big brother and the corporate take over rolled into the Kleptocracy of El Trumpo.

Oh, and thanks to Dietz below who’s claiming he’s an entirely separate race from us!

Michael Di Jan 24, 2017 3:30pm

Skooter, just where did I claim Trump is an entirely separate race? You just can’t help your lying streak, can you. But as you are a democrat, I understand. You wouldn’t know the truth if it was a nuke and you were ground zero.

Max Major Jan 24, 2017 3:55pm

Um dietz…are your family members hijacking your account again? You are the ditz that claimed me calling trump President Thin-Orange-Skin was a racist remark below….Or are you having those brown outs in your brain again

So you do understand what ‘race’ – the base word of ‘racist’ means right? On second though maybe you don’t since you misuse the word constantly.

Perhaps we need the ban emoticon for people that can’t even remember the dumb things they say…?

James Dagget Jan 25, 2017 6:54am

Max, I wondered who the “orange race” was. Looks like another example of taking a pejorative and tossing it out there without understanding the meaning.

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So, let’s take a look at the heart of this mess by getting to root.  Max said

President thin-orange-skin!

to which Michael replied

Racist remark.

Max challenges that the remark couldn’t be “racist” to which Michael says

“just where did I claim Trump is an entirely separate race”

Well, gee whiz Michael, when Max said “President thin-orange-skin!” and you identify it as a “Racist remark” what the heck else could you be doing other than claiming that orange is a race?