An Atheist Educator

On the HelenaIR, if you put a BB in can and rattle it around, this is what you get:

“It was Hillary Clinton who said that not accepting the results of the election was horrifying and un-American. Shortly after she lost she questioned the election. Since the election liberal Democrats have done nothing but question the election and say it was stolen. Liberals have rioted and destroyed property. They have beaten people they disagree with. They have shut down free speech with violence and celebrated their denial of others to speak. They have shut down parades with threats of violence. They have threatened to blow up the White House. They have asked for the military to overthrow the President. They say that they will not accept President Trump. They say Republicans are the threat to society. But it is the liberal Democrats who are creating all of the violence. Because they are the new fascist “Brown Shirts” trying to destroy the country. They are the ones who are un-American.”

This from the “mind” of Jack or John, probably the commenter formerly known as MtMadeMan/Marvin Marshawn.  It is a summary of pretty much every comment he has ever made.  Just compare this to a summary provided here over two years ago:

A new general in the house

One would think that after being shown in error so many times that a bit of learning would take place, but no, this one is only interested in maintaining his bifurcated worldview and makes his idiotic comments to continually reinforce those for himself and stem the clanging of cognitive dissonance that those who pummel him with facts and logic bring upon him.  He is just another example of someone who can’t discuss a topic with an level of intellectual prowess, but works from the position that whatever he already thinks must be right and he needs to defend it at any cost.  After all, it’s his own ego that is at stake.

And, just like his rube-cousin dietz1963, he will not admit when he is in error.  He runs away from the discussion and then claims:

“I also see the ole’ Greggie boy thinks that I have nothing other to do than to answer his prattle. He also uses propaganda to insinuate that because I have not jumped into his muddy fray I am avoiding his pigsty because of some ASSumed fear.”

The “fear” reference is hardly “assumed.”

We know from current neurological research that the “conservative” brain DOES work off of fear.  For some that is greater than others.  Just check this out,

Conservatives Big on Fear, Brain Study Finds

Fear and Anxiety Drive Conservatives’ Political Attitudes

Jack/John could be the poster child for these results.  Even after Trump wins the election and the GOP controls both houses of Congress, Jack/John is still railing against the liberals and Democrats.  He can’t even enjoy the victory of the right because he is so overcome with fear.  Just reread his comment that opened this article.

But, let’s face it, it’s great that people like him give us direct incite into the fear-based conservative simple mind.  It’s an opportunity to expose it for the low-intellect, reptilian-brain behavior that it is.

It also needs to be said that Jack/John and his ilk do not represent ALL conservatives by any means.  There are great conservative thinkers out there, we just don’t see them as commenters on the HelenaIR.  What we do see are commenters like Jack/John attacking the likes of George Will because thinkers like Will are able to process these things at a level the that rubes will never achieve.  Will, generally, writes over their heads, even with his metaphors and analogies, like in his recent column, where he said:

“Government policy is like a Calder mobile — touch something here and things jiggle over there. “

How many of the rubes even know what a “Calder mobile” is?  Some might have looked it up but we can just imagine them staring off into space trying to understand what Will meant by it.  Let’s face it, it’s above their pay grade.

 

 

 

It’s been a bit of time since the HelenaIR did a massive house cleaning and sent many of the most active commenters on the site packing.  For the most part this has been a very good move.  No longer do we have to deal with the likes of dietz1963/Michael Di/Stephen Di and his uninformed musings, his outright lies about others, and his false bravado that was so easily turned into mush with a few whacks from the Stick of Logic.

It is obvious that some former commenters are still active either under their original persona or new ones.  What is really different is that even though there are opposing viewpoints offered, the dialog doesn’t immediately digress into the the rote of personal attacks, fueled primarily by the likes of dietz1963 and getaclue.  Speaking of getaclue, he was banned for his idiocy and has, most likely, resurfaced under more than one nom de plume and is generally ignored since his comments are nothing more than pure snark.

Supporting all causes conservative we have John Williams who carries the “us versus them” banner on high and avoids engaging in dialog where he knows his position is vulnerable.  He does battle primarily with Matt Cahill who, generally, puts him in his place.

Truth and logic is upheld by The Bees, Bob Balhiser and Bill Bentley.  Always quick with the facts and an occasional witticism, they raise the level of dialog out of the swamp that was created by dietz1963, MtMadeMan, getaclue, countrydoc, dolphind3, and their troll buddies.

And we have Greg Baker, never short on opinions, able to back things up with facts, and he brings in a dose or two of humor.

It has also been interesting to watch how the HelenaIR has tweaked their site to make commenting less, well, convenient.  In the past, the most recent opinion pieces were listed on the front page, under Opinion, and the comment count made it easy to see which one was the most “trending.”  I am sure many commenters would hit the site and rapidly scroll down to that section to participate in the dialog.  Now that section is continually populated with column from some news service that provides what amounts to academic’s views of the world.  Not only are these pieces not specific to Montana, for the most part the topics are boring and writers appear to be doing little more than performing mental masturbation.  That these articles rarely receive a comment indicates the truth of this but probably also shows that they achieve the goal of the site’s online manager.

 

Someone really has their panties in a bunch at the Helena IR regarding the recent mass banning of commenters.  This wannabe “Inspector” is now trolling the site whining about how “Greg Baker” is really James Daggett or Atheist Educator or whomever and they all need to be banned from the site.  He parades around under the moniker Javier Escondo and is making a bit of a nuisance of himself.  Here are a few of his comments:

 

Javier Escondo Mar 12, 2017 9:09am

You are totally wrong sir. Atheist Educator, James Dagget and Greg Baker…..all the same person, still commenting, still lying, still demeaning, still stirring up trouble. I guess the rules dont apply to liberals, and neither does free speech.
EDITOR: I demand an answer from you on why you continue to allow AE, James Dagget aka Greg Baker to comment? I demand his expulsion immediately! He/she has broken the rules, by your own law, ban him/her!

 

Javier Escondo Mar 11, 2017 7:16am

You mean nice to see Lee allows liberal commenters? People are now banned or have been banned for voicing their opinions, I would like to introduce you to the new age, aka anti constitutionalism, aka communism. Very much like Hitler did, the IR news is banning people from commenting that they do not like the opinion of. Sickening!

 

Javier Escondo Mar 11, 2017 7:15pm

More lies from the “ban” er in chief. You are such a fool it’s hard to read without getting a headache.
You are he alt-left, you are more bigoted than anyone here, you don’t even understand what the term “bigot” means. I love it when you alternative fact revelers use he term “rhetoric” you can’t even use the term in a sentence pertaining to its meaning, and you claim to be educated?
Lacfiado’s………
Btw, why did you ban other posters? Can’t handle the truth? Why did you change your name yet again? Something you want to share?
Don’t ban me bro!

 

Javier Escondo Mar 11, 2017 7:40pm

What would you think if your mothers told you you were aborted? Oh yea, you wouldn’t think anything.

 

Javier Escondo Mar 11, 2017 7:13am

Why? Did he do something you disagreed with? looks like his banning was your doing Greg, how many have you cried about and had banned. Or, how do you know he is banned? And who are you really?
This is shameful, you guys always cry about tolerance, yet you cannot practice what you preach? I guess I am next? Yes, ban me too, ban the Mexican!
What line was crossed, seriously, I would like to know what Dan did that you so vehemently disagreed with that you have gotten away with?
Enough with the banning, enough with the deleting, if you cannot accept someone else’s opinion then ban commenting altogether. My god, this site is as bad as the Facebook site, nothing but aliases and phony profiles. Time for you to go, all of you since we all know you are fake!
I got an idea HR. How about, you charge people to comment. Charge them a .01 fee to a credit card that has real names on it and that is how you get your name posted, from your credit card. That will take care of people acting like pseudo intellectuals since they will have their names online!

Javier Escondo Mar 11, 2017 7:16pm

I’m waiting for an answer. Answer my question you cowardous fool!

 

Javier Escondo Mar 12, 2017 9:13am

Matt:”The Republican Party has quietly watched the alarming two-year rise in hate crimes and hate speech against Jews, people of color and other marginalized groups across Montana and the US. ”
You mean the trashing of cemeteries by democrats who tried to paint it as a right wing or republican act?
Or how about those bomb threats, made by a Obama supporting African American? Do you people even think before you write a LTE? THere are thousands of instances across the nation where these “hate” crimes were proven to be done by your folks. Yes of course there is hate on the right, but the left exemplifies it.

 

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So, there you have it.  Another raving loon who can’t handle the truth.  As for the identity of this unhappy person, does it really matter?  Of course not.  He was never considered a credible source of anything and was always a prime example of the DunningKruger effect.  He is intimated by the cognitive skills of others and this inferiority causes him to lash out instead of improving himself.  He plays the ultimate victim.  It’s always the fault of someone else whenever he loses, which is often when the game is one of intellect.

Am I close, DP?

 

 

It was recently mentioned in the press that “Mike Gulledge named publisher of the Missoulian, Ravalli Republic in regional restructure.”  It appears that one of his first acts was to eliminate online commenting on that paper’s site just as had been eliminated on his other paper’s site, the Billings Gazette.  Here is the Missoulian’s rationale.

Considering that the level of discussion on the Missoulian had declined in the past year, particularly from a commenter, “Ross,” it probably comes as no surprise.

Speaking of “Ross,” if you aren’t familiar with him but are familiar with commenters on the Helena IR, Ross is the twin of Dan Richardson/getaclue.  And, after a year or two of what fully defines “trolling” and attempts at starting “flame wars,” Dan/getaclue has been banned from the Helena IR.

Over on this thread, The bad, the ugly and the good: The Trump Effect in Montana, a LTE from the ACLU, Dan/getaclue jumped in with his usual inane attacks and made references to “lies” that he saw in the LTE. He claimed that Trump was planning of prosecuting anyone who spreads “fake news” and other false information and that the ACLU would be brought up on criminal charges.  He, of course, was wrong.  One commenter ever reminded him that he had posted a fake news web site a few months ago so he, and Trump himself, would be in line for prosecution themselves.

Dan/getaclue, went on a posting tirade, several that I missed reading, and it appears that the Helena IR had enough of this troll and banned his account.  Going to his user profile yields the evidence:  https://helenair.com/users/profile/getaclue/

So, Dan/getaclue goes the way of his comrade in arms, deitz1963, leaving the comment threads open to the thinkers.  The stench of their presence is barely a memory.

 

 

I suppose the editors at the HelenaIR decided enough was enough.  The comments are WAY down and it appears that most of the regulars are gone.  This is likely due to a mass banning.  As “Michael” said in a comment under my previous posting, he was banned.  He’s probably not alone.  I received a email from “James” and he said that he was banned too.  He also said he created a new new account which was banned a few hours later.  He was more creative in his next incarnation and, apparently, is still allowed to make comments.

So, it looks like instead of outright doing away with commenting, as the Billings Gazette did, they are just cleaning house and cracking down.  If this means that the purveyor of idiocy (we know who you are) is banned, then we’ll consider our efforts properly rewarded.  Many of the other “regulars” also appear to be silenced: Max, MtMadeMan, twangs, Darth, etc.

This is no loss since it’s not like we aren’t active in many other venues.

Since deitz1963 got booted, we’ll mark this up as a major win.  After all, he only has himself to blame.  He was the one who kept bugging the editors about what was going on in the comments.

It’s not difficult to miss how calm things are on the HelenaIR the past few days.  The rancor is low as is the volume of comments.  Most of the comments appear to be on topic and level of sniping is about nil.

What has changed?

It appears to be the disappearance of dietz1963.  If anyone were to challenge the idea that dietz1963 was the cause of most of the troubles on that site, the peacefulness present in his absence is pretty good evidence to support that.

Of course, he could reappear and tell us how he just had another case of whooping cause, an excuse he used when PaulMont called him out and wanted a face-to-face.  Time will tell whether it’s a cough or if the editors had enough of of his game, not to mention his whining to them about how everyone was bullying him.

In his last comment he said to James, “What goes over your head is, you will never out me nor break me which is your goal.”

It’s pretty obvious, considering all the time dietz1963 was proven wrong by me and others, and now his running away, or being sent to his room, that this is just another one of his claims that is false.

 

 

I received an email from a regular commenter on the HelenaIR that told him someone was complaining about his comments and was demanding that he be banned from that site.  He said that he answered this by sending a long list of site violations (name-calling, trolling, lies, etc.) that the complainant had committed.  Evidently the site owner is somewhat understanding.

That raises the issue of freedom of speech.  Yes, we know that does not apply to a non-governmental web site, but in principle, anyone who supports the First Amendment should support it everywhere.  This complainer to the HelenaIR certainly does not and this individual claims he is a veteran.

What the Whiner of Helena is upset about is, as has been well-documented here, is that he cannot mount a rational argument about ANYTHING and and is repeatedly pummeled and rounded beaten with the Stick of Logic.  What is worse, for him, is that he discloses lots of personal information about himself and this is ultimately used against him.

Here’s some recent dialog, probably what led to his most recent sniveling to the editors.

 

Feb 11, 2017 2:14am

No …, you still do not get it. For you is about winning, proving a point, being the best of the best. And for you, if you do not “get your way” you react in the way you do. No one else that comments here (far as I know) that has a blog dedicated to mocking, belittling, insulting ect.. as you do. No one else here, and that includes max aka attacks people as you do.

What it is, you can’t stand to lose and will find any excuse not to lose. Yet you do. Its probably why you have always stayed behind the scenes, never served, never really did nothing other then control peoples lives and squander your money not unlike the story of scrooge.

Bottom line, you have never been a leader, you can never be a leader. A true leader, loses. Has to make the bad call, makes mistakes and learns from them. Admits and is leader enough to admit fallacies. You are not that way, instead, you demand others bow before you and capitulate before what you consider your superior intelligence. Against me, you have lost and will always lose. No matter how you belittle me, badger me, insult or mock me, use me for your amusement, I still stand tall. Time for you to end your “experiment”.

 

 Our friend responded:
Feb 11, 2017 10:50am

What bar did you just close?You said “For you is about winning, proving a point, being the best of the best.”

When that point is the truth I will pursue it. Maybe you should explain why, when you say something completely wrong, it should not be corrected. For example, here are a few things I have corrected you on:

– that governor vetoes Republican-submitted bills
– that the inflation rate under Obama was 40%
– that “residency” for voting purposes is the same as for tax purposes
– that slaves joined the Confederate army by “tens of thousands”

Why should any of those falsehoods go unchallenged?

And why do you refuse to back down when your statements are falsified?

You said “And for you, if you do not “get your way” you react in the way you do.”

“My way” is the pursuit of the truth so, yes, I will aggressively defend the truth against falsehoods.

You said “No one else that comments here (far as I know) that has a blog dedicated to mocking, belittling, insulting ect.. as you do.”

I will neither confirm nor deny ownership of that blog, but is has come in handy when you, and others, attempt to deny your own words. Just like that rant against PaulMont. You’d love for that one to go away, wouldn’t you.

If you want to set up your own blog and write about me, why don’t you do so. It’s free and anyone with an “applied science” degree should be able to figure out how to do it.

You said “No one else here, and that includes max aka attacks people as you do.”

You remind me of your Great Defender, dolphind3, who defines any comment that is in anyway contrary to his as an “attack.” One wonders why you don’t consider your own comments, mocking people’s names, or generalizations toward liberals and Democrats, as attacks.
You said “Its probably why you have always stayed behind the scenes, never served, never really did nothing other then control peoples lives and squander your money not unlike the story of scrooge.”

Sounds like the liquor is talking now, the anger increases.

You said “Bottom line, you have never been a leader, you can never be a leader. A true leader, loses….”

Yep, the liquor is in control now, he switches to attack mode.

You slur “You are not that way, instead, you demand others bow before you and capitulate before what you consider your superior intelligence.”

Ah, but still able to create a straw man.

You said “Against me, you have lost and will always lose. No matter how you belittle me, badger me, insult or mock me, use me for your amusement, I still stand tall.”

Is this something your therapist told you to recite when your self-esteem gets bruised?

It sounds like Stuart Smalley’s affirmation, “I’m good enough, I’m smart enough, and doggone it, people like me.”

I hope that all made you feel better.

 

A bit later the Complainer said:

 

Feb 11, 2017 3:02am

Ah …s, I know you too well. What goes over your head is, you will never out me nor break me which is your goal. And hey, it sucks that someone tried to out you in the day and get your fired from your job, I get that. But do not focus your anger, your frustration or anything else on me cause of those folks. You are so clueless with me.

Now, and I do get sick and tired of this game. More importantly, how is your spouse doing? Getting the care they need? How is the outlook, the treatment, is it working?

 

 Responded to with:
Feb 11, 2017 10:59am

Trying to sober up before turning in?

You said “Ah …, I know you too well. What goes over your head is, you will never out me nor break me which is your goal.”

Keep on with those affirmations. Here are some others from Stuart Smalley that you might find helpful:

“I am a worthy human being.”
“…and that’s…okay.”
“Trace it, face it, and erase it.”

You said “You are so clueless with me.”

No, I think I pretty nailed you with my description of NCOs. If I hadn’t, why was your reaction to run to the editor and demand I be banned? When would you, without any evidence, attack my draft and veteran status? Why would you attack my college education, which you know nothing about?

Why am I able to so regularly falsify what you write?

It’s not me, it’s YOU.

You said “Now, and I do get sick and tired of this game.”

Then quit playing. Quit clicking on my name to see my most recent comments. Quit going to that blog. Quit making unsupported claims about me.

You said “More importantly, how is your spouse doing? Getting the care they need? How is the outlook, the treatment, is it working?”

We don’t use the word “cure” but everything is fine.

Thank you for asking.

 

I am not sure why that was the proverbial straw placed on a camel, but there you have it.  Perhaps this marks the end of the series.